microarray-ontol-digest Monday, August 26 2002 Volume 01 : Number 028 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:00:02 -0700 From: "Miller, Michael (Rosetta)" Subject: [microarray-ontol] RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and unresolved issues This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_000_01C242EA.DD81D890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, My concern with the slots alternative, and the ontology people can help me here, is that isn't the only way that people are coming up with in Ontologies to capture instance hierarchies. If that's the case, then I prefer the more general approach. here's the alternatives and the pngs: * add a new class named "Slot" to the Description package with the following: - attribute: "name" of type String, required - parent base class: Extendable - association to Measurement named "Measurement" Slot end: - aggregates Measurement end - cardinality: 1..1 Measurement End: - name: "measurement" - cardinality: 0..1 - navigable - association to OntologyEntry named "SlotValue" Slot end: - aggregates OntologyEntry end - cardinality: 1..1 OntologyEntry end: - name: slotValue - cardinality: 0..1 - navigable - add rule that Slot has either measurement or ontologyEntry, exclusive * OntologyEntry has association to Slot named "Slots" OntologyEntry end: - aggregates Slot end - cardinality: 1..1 Slot end: - name: slots - cardinality: 0..N - navigable An simpler alternative would be an association from OntologyEntry to itself named "Associations": 1st OntologyEntry end: - aggregates 2nd OntologyEntry end - cardinality: 1..1 2nd OntologyEntry end: - name: associations - cardinality: 0..N - navigable > -----Original Message----- > From: Miller, Michael (Rosetta) > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:27 AM > To: 'Paul Spellman' > Cc: mged-mage@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and > unresolved issues > > > Give me a moment and I'll sent out PNGs of the two alternatives, > > Michael > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Spellman [mailto:spellman@bdgp.lbl.gov] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:24 AM > > To: Miller, Michael (Rosetta); jason@openinformatics.com > > Cc: mged-mage@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and > > unresolved issues > > > > > > Can someone model the way slots /no slots would look so I can > > see them a > > little more easily? > > > > I think that would help me. > > > > Best, > > > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mged-mage-admin@lists.sourceforge.net > > [mailto:mged-mage-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Miller, > > Michael (Rosetta) > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:31 AM > > To: 'jason@openinformatics.com' > > Cc: 'mged-mage@lists.sourceforge.net' > > Subject: RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and > > unresolved issues > > > > > > Jason, > > > > Thanks much, this resolves the first 11 or so issues that are > > now going > > through their OMG FTF process. After you check in, I'll down > > load the batch > > and make sure I got everything in right. > > > > The changes that made some of the examples invalid were > > removing abstract > > classes from the content lists and making 0..1 contact > > associations now > > 0..n, which changes the name of the container. > > > > We still have a last set of unresolved issues I sent out > > 7/29/02. Most of > > them are pretty straight-forward that I feel recommending > > acceptance or > > deferral to v.2. > > > > The one that probably is the most contentious is if or how to > > extend the > > OntologyEntry object to capture instance hierarchies. Ugis > > has weighed in > > for the more elaborate solution that involves slots that was > > proposed at > > MGED IV. Chris likes that one also, but would settle for the simple > > association to itself. (correct me if I have that wrong). I > > lean, for v.1, > > for the simple association, where nothing prevents the > > category being a > > "slot" and value being the name of that "slot". > > > > regards, > > Michael > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: jason@openinformatics.com [mailto:jason@openinformatics.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:59 AM > > > To: 'mged mage' > > > Subject: Re: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes > > > > > > > > > "Miller, Michael (Rosetta)" > writes: > > > > > > > Jason, are you not able to check these in? Much > > > appreciated if you could do > > > > that and to update the downloadable files from the MGED site. > > > > > > Sorry 'bout that Michael, I've been travelling and shirking my > > > duties. I'll check these in today. > > > > > > cheers, > > > jas. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading > > online job board > > > for high-tech professionals. 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dElNRQfSCA0QLB6OIHElAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC - ------_=_NextPart_000_01C242EA.DD81D890-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:08:58 -0400 From: Chris Stoeckert Subject: Re: [microarray-ontol] RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and unresolved issues Hi Michael, I vote for the simple version (no slots, associations to self). That's more or less what we are doing in RAD and as you point out in one of the early mails below, category and value provide a means to capture what is explicit in the slots version. Chris On Tuesday, August 13, 2002, at 01:00 PM, Miller, Michael (Rosetta) wrote: > All, > > My concern with the slots alternative, and the ontology people can help > me > here, is that isn't the only way that people are coming up with in > Ontologies to capture instance hierarchies. If that's the case, then I > prefer the more general approach. > > here's the alternatives and the pngs: > * add a new class named "Slot" to the Description package with the > following: > - attribute: "name" of type String, required > - parent base class: Extendable > - association to Measurement named "Measurement" > Slot end: > - aggregates Measurement end > - cardinality: 1..1 > Measurement End: > - name: "measurement" > - cardinality: 0..1 > - navigable > - association to OntologyEntry named "SlotValue" > Slot end: > - aggregates OntologyEntry end > - cardinality: 1..1 > OntologyEntry end: > - name: slotValue > - cardinality: 0..1 > - navigable > - add rule that Slot has either measurement or ontologyEntry, > exclusive > * OntologyEntry has association to Slot named "Slots" > OntologyEntry end: > - aggregates Slot end > - cardinality: 1..1 > Slot end: > - name: slots > - cardinality: 0..N > - navigable > > An simpler alternative would be an association from OntologyEntry to > itself named "Associations": > 1st OntologyEntry end: > - aggregates 2nd OntologyEntry end > - cardinality: 1..1 > 2nd OntologyEntry end: > - name: associations > - cardinality: 0..N > - navigable > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Miller, Michael (Rosetta) >> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:27 AM >> To: 'Paul Spellman' >> Cc: mged-mage@lists.sourceforge.net >> Subject: RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and >> unresolved issues >> >> >> Give me a moment and I'll sent out PNGs of the two alternatives, >> >> Michael >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Paul Spellman [mailto:spellman@bdgp.lbl.gov] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:24 AM >>> To: Miller, Michael (Rosetta); jason@openinformatics.com >>> Cc: mged-mage@lists.sourceforge.net >>> Subject: RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and >>> unresolved issues >>> >>> >>> Can someone model the way slots /no slots would look so I can >>> see them a >>> little more easily? >>> >>> I think that would help me. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mged-mage-admin@lists.sourceforge.net >>> [mailto:mged-mage-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of Miller, >>> Michael (Rosetta) >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:31 AM >>> To: 'jason@openinformatics.com' >>> Cc: 'mged-mage@lists.sourceforge.net' >>> Subject: RE: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes and >>> unresolved issues >>> >>> >>> Jason, >>> >>> Thanks much, this resolves the first 11 or so issues that are >>> now going >>> through their OMG FTF process. After you check in, I'll down >>> load the batch >>> and make sure I got everything in right. >>> >>> The changes that made some of the examples invalid were >>> removing abstract >>> classes from the content lists and making 0..1 contact >>> associations now >>> 0..n, which changes the name of the container. >>> >>> We still have a last set of unresolved issues I sent out >>> 7/29/02. Most of >>> them are pretty straight-forward that I feel recommending >>> acceptance or >>> deferral to v.2. >>> >>> The one that probably is the most contentious is if or how to >>> extend the >>> OntologyEntry object to capture instance hierarchies. Ugis >>> has weighed in >>> for the more elaborate solution that involves slots that was >>> proposed at >>> MGED IV. Chris likes that one also, but would settle for the simple >>> association to itself. (correct me if I have that wrong). I >>> lean, for v.1, >>> for the simple association, where nothing prevents the >>> category being a >>> "slot" and value being the name of that "slot". >>> >>> regards, >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: jason@openinformatics.com [mailto:jason@openinformatics.com] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:59 AM >>>> To: 'mged mage' >>>> Subject: Re: [Mged-mage] New DTD and code changes >>>> >>>> >>>> "Miller, Michael (Rosetta)" >> writes: >>>> >>>>> Jason, are you not able to check these in? Much >>>> appreciated if you could do >>>>> that and to update the downloadable files from the MGED site. >>>> >>>> Sorry 'bout that Michael, I've been travelling and shirking my >>>> duties. I'll check these in today. >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> jas. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- >>>> This sf.net email is sponsored by: Dice - The leading >>> online job board >>>> for high-tech professionals. 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Search and apply for tech jobs today! >> http://seeker.dice.com/seeker.epl?rel_code=31 >> _______________________________________________ >> Mged-mage mailing list >> Mged-mage@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mged-mage >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:56:52 -0400 From: Chris Stoeckert Subject: [microarray-ontol] New postings to site Hello Everyone, I've put up a new version (1.5) of the MGED ontology. It has been expanded to include Study, StudyDesign, and StudyFactor. Will need to regenerate the class tree jpeg that John M. made for the new one (John, do you mind doing this?). I've also posted the presentation I gave at the Bio-Ontologies SIG meeting with ISMB last week. The next big meeting will be in November at Hinxton (SOFG). Will be pushing to get IDs, mode instances, and maybe an axiom or two in by then. We had an Ontology Working Group meeting during ISMB where mainly we welcomed new members and introduced them to what's going on. Helen Parkinson took notes and will post them once she generates a summary. Cheers, Chris Chris Stoeckert, Ph.D. Research Associate Professor, Dept. of Genetics Center for Bioinformatics, University of Pennsylvania 423 Guardian Dr., Philadelphia, PA 19104 Ph:215-573-4409 FAX:215-573-3111 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 08:33:49 -0400 From: Chris Stoeckert Subject: [microarray-ontol] update to web site Hi All, Just to let you know of some new postings at http://www.cbil.upenn.edu/Ontology/. A summary of the Onotology Working Group Meeting has been added to the Archive of OWG documents thanks to Helen Parkinson. The presentation "The MGED Ontology is an Experimental Ontology," from the 5th Annual Bio-Ontologies meeting (Edmonton, Canada Aug. 2002) has been added to Ontology presentations. A picture of the class tree from v1.5 of the MGED ontology is available from a link on the The MGED Ontology v1.5 page thanks to John Matese. Version 1.4 of the ontology has been removed. # 27 of vol 1 has been added to the Archive of OWG mail. Cheers, Chris Chris Stoeckert, Ph.D. Research Associate Professor, Dept. of Genetics Center for Bioinformatics, University of Pennsylvania 423 Guardian Dr., Philadelphia, PA 19104 Ph:215-573-4409 FAX:215-573-3111 ------------------------------ End of microarray-ontol-digest V1 #28 *************************************